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Expert Advisory Panel 4: Public Health, Safety and Logistics - Shared screen with speaker view
Amie Lindenboim
43:02
14 days close contact quarantine appears to hinge on when notified—should be max of 14 days from last contact with positive person during the period the person may have been infectious.
Amie Lindenboim
43:34
Otherwise close contacts could be out for an extra week!
Amie Lindenboim
46:18
What additional risk if close contacts allowed back if no symptoms and testing negative if test done at least 8 days from last contact with person who tested positive while they may have been infectious?
Valerie Frias
52:03
that doesn’t make sense.
Valerie Frias
52:18
It is should be earlier of symptom onset or pos test
Valerie Frias
53:43
Close contacts are defined as 48 hours from test?
Amie Lindenboim
54:18
Valerie—yes—just don’t think how it is listed on the chart sent to parents was totally clear on that
Amie Lindenboim
55:37
Should be either 48hrs prior to symptom onset or positive test, whichever earlier
Valerie Frias
56:49
I don’t think that has been followed
Benjamin Sommers
01:12:47
Yes, if we do consider 5 or 5.5 feet, we need to be particularly careful when eating and masks are off. Being closer than 6 without masks is an unnecessary level of risk that we have alternatives to - outdoor eating (where are our tents??), early dismissal when weather is bad, phased lunch hours (splitting the class), etc...
Acacia Landfield
01:12:49
EATING: Please find a solution. Do not keep kids out of school over this. There are so many solutions and any are better than keeping 6-yr-olds who are getting physically sick from screens and hating at home.Solutions include:Go back to the announced plans from August where kids go home at 1 pm, and there no lunch (only snack) at school, ORHave kids eat outside for lunch, and either have a Weather Day early release at 1 pm when they can't eat outside for lunch, ORHave a rotating lunch starting at 10 am (or whatever) for them to eat in larger spaces for lunch on weather/cold days. Or keep them in their classes and divide up the lunch eaters so that half of the class can eat while the other half is working. Etc etc etc.
Acacia Landfield
01:15:16
At the Capital Subcommittee meeting, they said that 5 feet would allow all but 2 sections of 1st-2nd grade (or maybe it was only 1st grade—I’m not sure on that exact point) back in person full time
Acacia Landfield
01:15:33
This was at the Capital Subcommittee meeting one week ago that they discussed this
Benjamin Sommers
01:16:58
Tents and outside.
Valerie Frias
01:18:21
Great points, Ben L.
Acacia Landfield
01:19:25
There are two tents being set up at Baker on the tennis courts
Benjamin Sommers
01:20:53
I have to leave now - my turn on childcare (maybe we’ll eat our snack outside)! Thanks everyone. Appreciate the thoughtful conversation.
Valerie Frias
01:31:53
My child who is not at Driscoll is at a school using tents quite well (on grass) for breaks - 6 feet apart or more - kids are told to dress in layers and it has worked well so far. There are even classes out there sometimes - they wipe down the desks they have outside after each classroom use and then deep cleaned at night
Sharon Gutnick
01:37:50
Why not have a combination? Bring cost down by having barriers as backup (but not one per child) for when specific kids are unable to go outside? But outside, even without tents, should be the default.
Acacia Landfield
01:38:11
I agree with Sharon
Acacia Landfield
01:41:03
Re: Vishakha’s comment: Private school in Cambridge has 4 feet distance, with the flexible barriers at desk, and kids eating lunch at their desks
Acacia Landfield
01:41:23
Catholic school is at 3 feet and also has the flexible desk barriers. Not sure where they eat.
Acacia Landfield
01:43:36
Re: Marianne’s comment: People are smart and know guidance is changing. With appropriate messaging, people will understand the rationale. Including understanding that the on-the-ground reality is 3-5 feet at literally all open preschools, private schools, etc.
Acacia Landfield
01:44:09
Agree with Elena: Policies will change. It’s communications and messaging that matters.
Acacia Landfield
01:44:58
A LOT of people are REALLY upset about the insistence on 6 feet because SO many people know it’s not what is happening on the ground
Astrid Allen
01:45:12
I would love to see a graphic of what 6 feet vs 5 feet set up looks like in the classroom as part of that messaging. If parents of 1-2 understood visually that 12 inches stand between their children and full time, no zoom education, it would go a long way towards support.
Acacia Landfield
01:45:49
Re: Astrid’s comments: 1st and 2nd grade parents are REALLY on board.
Valerie Frias
01:45:51
I urge caution and am on the call
Acacia Landfield
01:46:06
re: Ben L: Those parents can keep their kids in RLA!
Valerie Frias
01:46:32
No - my FTR student cannot do RLA - that is exactly why he is back
Acacia Landfield
01:47:01
Please do not hold back the safety and education of our youngest kids. What is happening now is not safe nor healthy by any public health metric
Acacia Landfield
01:48:55
The reality is that no one on the ground is at 6 feet, though. Private school desks are at 3 feet and 4 feet. The on-the-ground reality matters
Valerie Frias
01:50:09
Acacia - not sure where you get that from but it is not global. My one son’s private school is greater than 6 feet at all times, even outside.
Acacia Landfield
01:50:38
I know of two directly, and I haven’t done a sampling. These are parents who work at these schools reporting it to me
Acacia Landfield
01:51:18
Shady Hill School in Cambridge is one — they’re at 4 feet, with flexible dividers at desks, and eating at their desks
Valerie Frias
01:51:18
Ok - and I just gave you a different report. This panel is doing yeoman’s work with research and best practice.
Acacia Landfield
01:51:40
The Catholic school is I think St. Mary’s, but I’m not sure. It’s at 3 feet
Benjamin Linas
01:51:43
Please careful using the approach of “school X is only 3 feet and they have no cases, therefore it is ok.” There are also schools with large outbreaks. We cannot observe the effect of distancing based on anecdote and lived experience.
Acacia Landfield
01:53:26
@Ben, yes, I agree. I’m not extrapolating from anecdote; I’m stating this as a “This is the on-the ground reality of what others are doing” — incl. vis a vis optics and communications
Benjamin Linas
01:59:30
Based on what evidence? How do you know this? Large gatherings are a problem. Beyond the individual droplet spread, large groups generate a vapor cloud and that is concerning. There is an effect for N beyond distance
Sharon Gutnick
01:59:55
Just to voice as a parent that is really looking forward to the kids going back, and thinks we do need to think more creatively - I do think we need to do it carefully and correctly. I don’t think we should consider 3feet, and I don’t think we should consider putting 4 cohorts in a closed room. There is a lot more we can do without going that far.